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Seduction Skills or Personal Change, which works?




Author: The One writes
The One's Website: Fidentia

I constantly see the word "Skillset" being thrown out in the community. It seems as if attracting women is learned through a set of skills and lines that you throw out there.

Here is the main difference between my ideology and the ideology of certain guys pushing a "Skill set" like Mystery, TD et al.......)

To them, this whole Pick Up is a skill-set. It's a bunch of lines.

To me, it's about a fundamental change in behavior AND belief system.

(Granted, cold approaching groups of women in bars is a skill, but that is not a necessary ingredient to attracting/seeing the women of one's choice.)

To me, going out 5 nights a week for the sake of sarging is asinine. To a lot of guys, this is the only definition of being a PUA. It's like if you stop going to bars like a conditioned zombie, you are no longer in the Game.
This is the current line of thinking. ItÂ’s repeatedly posted over and over again. (Although with the addition of some of the new-comers to the Community, this is changing.)

Here is the funny thing: I have done the 5 nights a week in a bar thing. Do I recommend it?
I think if you are really interested in improving your cold-approaching ability, then YES, I do recommend it for a LIMITED time period.

Cold approaching a group of 3 girls takes some skill and there is no better way to gain this than actually doing cold-approaches.
Thus, hit the bars/nightclubs 3-4 nights a week for about 2-3 months. That is more than enough time.
Learn the "Skill" of cold approaching groups of women.

After that, you have to be able to define what the Game means to you, and why you are in it:

**Are you in it because you want a lot of one-night stands?
**Are you in it because you want to date several quality women?
**Are you in it because you want a great girlfriend/LTR?

If you don't know what you really want, then you are spending a lot of time just spinning your wheels in place.

I believe this whole notion of going to bar 5 nights a week and then telling our friends about it in Field-Reports all the time is a manifestation of guys trying to over-compensate.
Over Compensating for not being cool or socially well received during the younger days, high school, etc......

So, for such guys, by definition, being a PUA is going to bars 5 nights a week, then bragging to your friends about it. (Try having a discussion with some gurus about anything other than "Pick Up" or "The Game" for longer than 2 minutes. You'll have better luck finding Jimmy Hoffa.)

(There are some guys, such as Toecutter, who genuinely enjoy going to bars all the time, sitting around and having beers. I enjoy going to the gym 4 times a week. A hobby is a hobby, I suppose. It’s the notion of “You are not in the Game” if you are not out closing bars down 4 nights a week, that I find silly, and that's what's taught to a lot of the newcomers.)

Case and point:
I have a buddy of mine out here, (Almost 40) who has slept with around a 1000 women. He has had his share of bar chicks, but he has pulled from everywhere. Is he a Pick up artist?
Well, by current definition of many gurus, he is not. He is not out sarging 4-5 nights a week in various bars.

Truth be told, most community experts are probably better in cold-approaching group sets than this guy. The difference is that, once he gets a girl, he has them.
In my experience, most community gurus cannot hang on to a woman past 2 weeks, despite how hard they try.

In the end, we have to define what Pick up really is. COLD-Approaching of women in a group setting is a skill, but it does not define pickup, seduction, or being a player/ladies man.

You cannot teach a guy who is socially awkward a skill set. If a guy has trouble carrying a conversation and looking people in the eye, then it'd be very difficult for him to suddenly become some super ladies man, despite how many routines he is pumped with.
He has to start with being able to have a normal conversation first.

Ultimately, this idea of [Say this, then reply with that, if she says X, you reply with Y,] does not an interesting person make. It makes for a programmed robot who can carry a conversation for about 10 minutes.
(This is completely irrelevant of direct, indirect, and so forth.)
If a guy cannot have a normal decent conversation with other people, he is going to have a difficult time prospering in attracting women.

What makes a previously unattractive guy, attractive to women, is a shift in his **BEHAVIOR** AND a change in his **BELIEF SYSTEM**
That's permanent change. The funny thing is that, once that happens, you cannot really go back to the person whom you used to be. (ItÂ’d actually take work to go back. Lol)

Anyhow, those are my thoughts on the topic.
You guys can debate it out!

The One
The One's Website: Fidentia



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